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Brian’s Morning Newsletter for June 18th 2009

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Good Morning

 

I’m coming down off two 10 hour days of work for Desertgate. I’m so happy to be this tired, but it does have my mind in a writers block mode. I shouldn’t say writers block just because the things I’ve been busy doing I’m not at liberty to discuss in the newsletter, but this is a means to make the projects I want to do possible. Suffice to say the kind of work I’ve been doing requires me to climb a ladder while at an altitude of 9000 feet above sea level. One of the things I am totally amused about is my pants keep sliding down my hips when I wear a heavy tool belt. Although last night when I got home I ate like there was no tomorrow for unknown reasons. Still, I’ll need to put another hole in my belt to cinch it up if I want to keep my pants up, smiles. As you can imagine it might not be the sight a customer would relish.

 

I am continuing to read on the forum http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/ about the possibility of swapping the gas engine, automatic transmission and 4X4 transfer case out of our Ford F-150 for the Cummins turbocharged 6 cylinder (6BT), manual transmission, and a Dodge transfer case from Ed Littleton. Everything looks workable even though it does look like a lot of work, aside from the fact that these engines and transmissions are a lot heavier than I am used to working with, having been strictly a foreign car  mechanic those many many years ago. Hey but I’m quite adaptable myownself. I’ll need to build a heavy duty engine pulling frame and hook my favorite tool, the chain hoist up, perhaps just outside the garage door of the shop and pull the engine out of the Ford so I can see what kind of room I have to work with in there.

 

I see that lots of the guys doing engine swaps pull much of the cab off before working on their trucks. Some even pull the whole cab off. I’m sure it does help with setting up the two drive shafts and exhaust systems like I will need to do when I take out a V8 engine and automatic transmission and replace it with a straight 6 cylinder diesel engine and manual transmission.  The scope of this kind of conversion is lofty, for instance the fuel system is slightly different, but one of the things I’ve been thinking about is, the Ford has two fuel tanks, and after I decide if the in-tank fuel (gasoline)  pumps will work with diesel fuel, I may need to pull them. I digress with technicalities, I was thinking of using the second tank for waste veggie oil and converting this truck  to a two tank  WVO  burner. 

 

This is part pipe dream, part looking for a silver lining to help me justify doing all this work, to get a complete truck I could possibly buy for off craigslist for $3500.  Now I can’t find the Dodge 4×4 I was looking at the other day but here is another interesting truck. Don’t get me wrong, I’m only looking and trying to learn and seeing what other crafty gents like myself  are doing. The crazy looking rig pictured below has the same engine as the truck I’m buying from Ed, but the truck below is an auto trans, and i want a manual trans like ed’s truck has.

 

So there we go for another Thursday

 

Lots and lots of reading for you this morning, and since it is mostly boring guy stuff I added lots of humor to help keep ya going

 

Much Love,

 

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1990 Dodge Bobtail (aircraft towing tractor). It’s a military towing vehicle used to tow flightline equipment and is capable of towing an aircraft. This one is a 4×2. My original idea was to pull the drive train and re-power a dodge truck or swap this into another vehicle. The best part of this truck is the engine. It has the 6BT5.9 Turbo Diesel. It also has a 727 transmission.

Condition: Vehicle has 43K miles. The drivetrain in near perfect, starts and runs excellent, trans shifts great. The tires have about 60% tread. The interior is in great shape. The seat is blue cloth and is excellent. The gauges all work fine.

Specs:

Engine: 6BT/5.9L TDSL

Transmission: Chrysler 727 Auto, 3-spd, Gear Ratios: 1st- 2.45-1, 2nd-1.45-1, 3rd-1.0-1, Rev- 2.2-1

Rear Axle: Spicer 70, Gear Ratio: 7.17-1

Brakes- Power Assisted Drum, Towing Capacity: Support Equipment- 40,000 lbs, Aircraft- 70,000 lbs

L-177”, W- 96”, H- 80”, GVW: 9,200, Tires: LT235/85R16, Fuel Capacity- 30 Gals

This truck is for sale with a bill of sale only. I will help you pull the engine and trans if thats all you want. It weighs 9K lbs. I’ve posted some videos of the engine running, click on the link below or email me for links to the videos. I can shoot any video or additional pics you may need.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywwn68EI8Qc&feature=player_embedded

You will not be disappointed with this engine, why buy one with 100-200,000 miles when you can practically get a new one. I know the military techs that serviced this truck and it’s always had its scheduled services. The military has a regimented service schedule and the only reason this is out of service is due to age.

I can only sell this truck or parts of this truck to an American citizen in the US.

check out http://www.fordcummins.com/index.html for conversion ideas

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Obama Announces Plans To Run For McCain’s Senate Seat In 2010

June 16, 2009 | Issue 45•25

 

PHOENIX—Saying that it is time for change to come to Arizona, President Barack Obama on Tuesday formally announced that he will run for Senate against John McCain in the 2010 election.

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Obama asks Arizona voters to send another message to Washington and John McCain.

Addressing a capacity crowd of nearly 72,000 at University of Phoenix Stadium, Obama stood before a giant banner emblazoned with his new "President Obama for Senate" logo—a basic facsimile of his 2008 campaign emblem with a cactus inscribed in the center—and called on voters to "turn the page and write the next chapter in the great Arizona story."

"I am, and always have been, motivated by a single, powerful idea: that I might one day play a small part in building a better Arizona," Obama said. "So I ask you today to join me in this quest. Our children, and our children’s children, deserve it. Together, we can meet the challenges we face. Together, we can send a message to Washington, and together, we can beat John McCain."

"Yes, we can in Arizona," Obama continued to overwhelming applause. "Yes, we can in Arizona. Yes, we can beat John McCain. Yes, we can in Arizona."

Repeatedly throughout his speech, Obama labeled McCain as a Washington insider and criticized the 73-year-old four-term senator for being out of touch with everyday Arizonans. While acknowledging respect for his opponent’s military record and years of public service, the president argued that being a decorated war veteran has little to do with improving Arizona’s schools and putting its citizens back to work.

"Let me be clear: John McCain is a good man," Obama said. "He has served this state nobly for more than 20 years. But where was John McCain last year when the economy collapsed and the housing bubble burst? Was he here in Arizona looking out for families in need? Or was he crisscrossing the nation trying to further his own political career?"

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John McCain meets with many of his supporters at a local Arizona diner.

According to Beltway observers, Obama’s candidacy should come as no surprise. The 44th president has reportedly kept a close eye on McCain’s poll numbers in Arizona, and launched a senatorial exploratory committee last November just hours after McCain confirmed that he would run for a fifth term.

"The key thing we learned in 2008 is that McCain is beatable," campaign manager David Plouffe said. "And our goal is to continue to exploit that, whether he is running for the Senate, mayor of Phoenix, or board president at an assisted living facility."

Obama has continued to keep pressure on McCain for months, most notably by befriending the senator’s closest war compatriots, becoming a frequent commenter on daughter Meghan McCain’s blog, writing a best-selling book entitled The One And Only House I Own, and sending flowers to McCain’s wife on her birthday and anniversary.

Obama even made history in May by coauthoring the Obama-Feingold Act, a bill the president said "vastly improves" upon previous groundbreaking campaign finance legislation.

"My fellow Arizonans, we have an opportunity to do something special next November," Obama said. "With a strong ally in the White House, the issues that matter most to our state will finally be pushed to the forefront of Washington’s agenda. Issues like economic recovery, immigration reform, and the simple satisfaction of watching a broken, elderly man realize that the one thing in life he could still cling to is no longer his."

Using the nearly $30 million in campaign fundraising leftover from his presidential bid, Obama has mobilized a massive grassroots movement on a scale never before seen in a Senate race. More than 400,000 volunteers have flooded Arizona since his announcement, and nearly 350 Obama campaign offices have opened throughout the state.

Early polls indicate McCain is leading by four percentage points. But Obama’s numbers are expected to increase in the next 18 months, during which he plans to spend less time in Washington and focus his efforts on winning in Arizona.

According to constituents, the president’s commitment may already be paying off.

"I’ve voted for John McCain in the last four elections, but I have to admit I’m intrigued by Barack Obama," Flagstaff resident Evan Casillas said. "I know John McCain. I like John McCain. He would probably continue to do well as senator. But that Barack Obama is awfully charismatic."

As of press time, McCain was not available for comment, as members of his Senate staff indicated he had left his office earlier in the day to take a long walk and clear his head.

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Grand Illusion

In 2003, Barack Obama said he was for single payer.

What would it take to get single payer enacted?
                            
Grand Illusion"First, we have to take back the White House, the Senate and the House," Obama said at the time.

Fast forward six years.

The Democrats have taken the White House.

The Senate and the House.

And now what’s Obama’s position?

In a speech this week in Chicago before the American Medical Association, Obama made clear he was now opposed to single payer.

And his lieutenants suggested that Obama would support legislation to make sure that single payer does not become a reality in America.

There’s only one explanation for Obama’s flip-flop on single payer.

The health insurance and drug corporations have a hammerlock on Washington.

And Obama is going along to get along.

What’s the net result?

Sixty Americans are dying every day due to lack of health insurance. (Institute of Medicine report.)

Instead of getting behind single payer, Obama and the Democrats are engaged in the what Dr. Marcia Angell, former editor-in-chief at the highly regarded New England Journal of Medicine calls "the futility of piecemeal tinkering."

Earlier this week, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimated that the most liberal of the Democrats’ tinkering plans would cost $1 trillion over ten years and still leave 37 million Americans uninsured.

Single payer on the other hand would cost less than we are overpaying now — and cover everyone.

Zero uninsured.

As Dr. Angell puts it — single payer is not only the best option.

It’s the only option that will both control costs and cover everyone.

Replace 1,300 insurance industry payers with one payer.

Save $400 billion a year in bloated corporate administrative and executive compensation costs.

Free choice of doctor and hospital.

Use that money to insure everyone.

No bills, no co-pays, no deductibles.

No exclusions for pre-existing conditions — because under single payer, you are insured from the day you are born.

No bankruptcies due to medical bills.

No deaths due to lack of health insurance.

Cheaper. Simpler. More affordable.

Everybody in. Nobody out.

According to recent polls, the majority of Americans, the majority of doctors, the majority of nurses, even the majority of health economists want single payer.

That’s why almost every health care town hall event I hear about is dominated by citizens speaking out for single payer.

Last month, we asked that you help fund a new non-profit organization – Single Payer Action – to focus this citizen energy, break through the corporate logjam in Washington and make single payer a reality.

You came through with flying colors — and blew past our initial fundraising goal.

The foundation was set for action.

Out of the blocks, Single Payer Action led a stand up protest before Senator Max Baucus’ Senate Finance Committee.

Thirteen doctors, nurses, lawyers and other single payer advocates were summarily arrested and charged with "disruption of Congress."

(Baucus later told single payer advocates that he regretted not inviting them to testify before his committee.)

The arrests of the Baucus 13, their upcoming trial, and other similar single payer actions around the country have galvanized a nationwide movement.

Single Payer Action now wants to supercharge the grassroots movement for single payer.

Confront members of Congress back home all around the country.

And lay the groundwork for a national citizen’s organization that will refuse to compromise with corporate power — inside the beltway and out.

Many progressives are now confused.

They took Obama at his word.

They thought once Obama was elected President, he would do the right thing.

My colleague, Theresa Amato, is not confused.

Grand IllusionShe saw clearly through the Democratic Party’s duplicity and shenanigans — and has written a new book, titled Grand Illusion: The Myth of Voter Choice in a Two Party Tyranny (New Press, June 2009)

The book documents how the corporate two-party system thwarts citizen activism and blocks challenging candidates in the electoral system and beyond.

Phil Donahue said this about Grand Illusion: "Theresa Amato takes the biggest swing — not a jab, but a roundhouse punch — at America’s corrupt electoral system."

Single Payer Action needs to raise $50,000 over the next month to fund its actions around the country this summer.

So, please, donate now — $10, $25, $50, $100, $500 — or whatever you can afford.

If you
donate $100 or more now, Single Payer Action will send you a copy, hot off the press, of Amato’s hard cover, 379-page masterpiece – Grand Illusion.

(Okay, since it also includes chapters about my campaign against the corporate Republicans and Democrats – and since I wrote the foreword — I’ll autograph it.)

So, don’t delay.

Donate now.

Let’s break through the corporate barriers and make single payer a reality.

Together, we can make the difference.

Onward to a life-saving, cost-saving single payer.

Ralph Nader

Ralph Nader

PS – Remember, if you donate $100 or more to Single Payer Action now, I’ll autograph and have sent to you a copy of Grand Illusion by Theresa Amato. Please don’t delay. Donate now. This offer ends July 17, 2009.



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Discussion of transmissions, transmission-adapting, and transfer cases for conversions

Discussion of transmissions, transmission-adapting, and transfer cases for conversions

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I have read everything here on this adapter but it is not clear to me what automatic transmission bellhousings the Cummins/dodge trans adapter will accomodate. If I understand correctly, I can use 727/518 (Chrysler small block) bellhousings on the dodge adaptor. Correct or not?! If correct, this is super great!!!!

Is the 47RH used after ’94 different? Would it be true that you could use the ’91.5-93 518 engine/trans adapter to attach a 518 compatabile trans?

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The Dodge adapter will accept A-727, A-518 and A-618, all of the 6BT trannies & flexplate. If at all possible get a new 6BT torque converter or a performance aftermarket diesel converter, and use the biggest tranny cooler you can lay your hands on. If you get all that and change tranny fluid and filter at least once a year you’ll be in good shape for many, many miles.

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Wow! That is some of the best news I have gotten in awhile. I had been pursueing the Isuzu 4BD2TC until I found out that the engine bolt pattern was indeed NOT SAE of any type and no one is making an adapter. The industrial engine may be but then they are not really road worthy.

This is great news! You guys may want to put this in a sticky. I could have assumed this from the info I gathered but I think a lot of us know what assume can lead to. I believe my decision is pretty well made now, it is the 4BT form me! I just need to determine which model. I would like the latest model that still has the mechanical injection pump. Still a lot to learn for me.

I had not thought of using a Dodge diesel torque converter but that certainly is worth considering, I had planned to get a good aftermarket diesel converter and have my trans (545RFE) rebuilt with high performance parts, shift kit and increase line pressure. I will not be hotrodding or rock crawling. I just want a good economical diesel to get to and from work. In my current diesel, I rarely get over 2500 RPM. And I do already have a trans cooler installed and I may get a high capacity trans pan.

Thanks for the great info!

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There is a difference in the adapters for the 1994′ – up, 618 (47RH). These transmissions had lockup torque converter. If you use this trans. you need the newer adapter as well as the starter for that adapter.

The pre 94′ adapters work for the 727HD diesel transmissions and the 518′s

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OOooppss, my mistake! I forgot about the lockup TC…

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sdstriper,
That would make sense to me, that the 618 would use a larger pattern. So, if I get the pre ’94 adapter and mount it on a post ’94 engine, I would still be able to use a 518/727 compatable trans?

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Yes, get the correct starter for the adapter also.

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sdstriper,

For further clarification, are we speaking in terms of "diesel designed versions only" or is it anything goes including the "gasoline designed transmissions" with the same model numbers? I want to eliminate any confusion before it goes into the sticky threads.

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the dodge trans adapters for 727/518 are diesel spec only, the small block bells are smaller by almost 3" in dia. Mikel on this forum had a TF727 adapter,flex, and starter for sale. the 727 used on the early diesels is heavier version of the 727, reinforced bell, much larger TC, etc.

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89-93 cummins A.T use the same adapter for a 727 or 518 . 94-99 cummins 47rh and 47re use the same adapter you can use the late model 02-06 small dia. starter on the 94-99 for clearance. also the v-10 47r-47re is the same trans minus convertor.

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Well…., ain’t this just nice! This is going just like my gathering info for the Isuzu 4BD…. south and worse! It seems it is buyer beware. I am glad I have discovered all the confusion and misinformation before I have put any money out – for either engine! I guess the rule of thumb is, check everything yourself and trust no one. Forums seem to be more for those who "think they know" than for those who really know. Advice and knowledge should be given very carefully, unless you like people wasting their money while depending on your word.

Does anyone KNOW if the Cummins 4/6BT’s engine bellhousing pattern (without any adapter) is a SAE standard or not and which one? And, please only those who have actually measured, attached or otherwise VERIFIED need reply.

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I suppose that was directed at me? Well, there are a lot of variables in this stuff, little cast in stone! I posted what I did based on other’s information, but regardless, double check everything. It was my understanding that there was no difference in adapter plates for Cummins/Dodge automatic installs, and that the A-618 was just beefed up internally with no exterior change from A-518. The torque converters are however different.

I bought a replacement torque converter for my ’90 Dodge Ram A-518 and asked for lockup. I received the TC and decided I wanted non-lockup and returned it. The parts store called the torque converter manufacturer and THEY SAID THEY WERE THE SAME, LOCKUP or NON LOCKUP! That’s part of where I got my info, from a company that manufacures the TC’s, so I figured it was pretty reliable.

A-518′s come in lockup or non lockup. The only externally visible difference between the trannies is the input shaft, with one being fully splined and the other being partially splined. I had both and compared, seeing that there was no other difference externally in lockup or non-lockup.

In further research: if you’re going to use an A-618 then you want the ’94-’02 adapter which is 1" thicker, plus the correct starter, plus the 2nd Gen flexplate.

I’m sure it’s frustrating for you, and it was for me in my swap, especially with no 4BT Swap forum around to ask questions! I went to other Dodge forums and asked questions politely. I found that you get a lot better feedback tossing out polite questions instead of tossing out insults.

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The cummins block bolt pattern isn’t SAE its a cummins bolt pattern If you want an SAE tranny to bolt up you have to buy an Cummins 4/6BT SAE engine adapter plate. I have a SAE 2 and a SAE 3 adapter plate aswell as a 2nd gen dodge adapter they are all interchangeable between my 4BT and 6BT. I can bolt any Dodge tranny to my 4BT that was bolted to a 2nd gen dodge with the 2nd gen dodge adapter. The Cummins 4BT & 6BT bolt block pattern remained from 89 till 02 1st & 2nd gen dodge. The bolt pattern might have stayed the same after 02 but I don’t know that so I will only state what I know. So if you want to fit a dodge 727 tranny to a 4BT then you need an engine adapter from a 1st gen dodge 89-93. If you want to fit a NV4500 (2nd gen) then you need an adapter from a 2nd gen dodge. etc etc. This is about as clear as I can think of to explain it. Hope it helps.

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3rd gen. has two holes in block moved.

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I’m sorry if I added to the confusion, here is a pic. that Mikel had sent to me of the TF727 adapter for 4B/6B I hope this helps. I measured a 318 bell when he sent this to me and pin to pin was around 15 1/4", I can re-measure this week if you need me to confirm.

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just a quick hijack here. are the trans adaptors doweled to the engine ? or do you need to use a dial gauge and the flywheel to set them up ?

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For further clarification, are we speaking in terms of "diesel designed versions only" or is it anything goes including the "gasoline designed transmissions" with the same model numbers? I want to eliminate any confusion before it goes into the sticky threads.

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Yes, Diesel Transmission Specific. Looks like you got good answers before me here too. Another tidbit on the Diesel Specific 727 since I have seen this question a bunch lately, Diesel Specific 727HD or (37RH), modified as stated in the parts manuals, 12.2" Borg Warner Torque converter. These utilize a different case than the gasoline 727 or (36RH), different than the small block or big block gasser units.

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I suppose that was directed at me? Well, there are a lot of variables in this stuff, little cast in stone! I posted what I did based on other’s information, but regardless, double check everything. It was my understanding that there was no difference in adapter plates for Cummins/Dodge automatic installs, and that the A-618 was just beefed up internally with no exterior change from A-518. The torque converters are however different.

I bought a replacement torque converter for my ’90 Dodge Ram A-518 and asked for lockup. I received the TC and decided I wanted non-lockup and returned it. The parts store called the torque converter manufacturer and THEY SAID THEY WERE THE SAME, LOCKUP or NON LOCKUP! That’s part of where I got my info, from a company that manufacures the TC’s, so I figured it was pretty reliable.

A-518′s come in lockup or non lockup. The only externally visible difference between the trannies is the input shaft, with one being fully splined and the other being partially splined. I had both and compared, seeing that there was no other difference externally in lockup or non-lockup.

In further research: if you’re going to use an A-618 then you want the ’94-’02 adapter which is 1" thicker, plus the correct starter, plus the 2nd Gen flexplate.

I’m sure it’s frustrating for you, and it was for me in my swap, especially with no 4BT Swap forum around to ask questions! I went to other Dodge forums and asked questions politely. I found that you get a lot better feedback tossing out polite questions instead of tossing out insults.

The 518′s with lockup were only available for gasoline engine vehicles, both lockup and non lockup were produced to make things confusing. The Diesel Specific 727 & 518 were never available with lockup torque converter. 1994 – 95 (47RH) and 96 – Up (47RE) lockup was added and is still in use.

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just a quick hijack here. are the trans adaptors doweled to the engine ? or do you need to use a dial gauge and the flywheel to set them up ?

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still a little confused I have a 78 motor home with a 440 dodge i it and I have a 93 dodge 1 ton 5.9 cummins with a getrag 360 behind it. What I’m wondering is will the trans from behind the 440 bolt on to the adapter on the 5.9 cummins or are the patterns different?

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still a little confused I have a 78 motor home with a 440 dodge i it and I have a 93 dodge 1 ton 5.9 cummins with a getrag 360 behind it. What I’m wondering is will the trans from behind the 440 bolt on to the adapter on the 5.9 cummins or are the patterns different?

The short answer is no. Chrysler made Automatic Transmissions for Bigblock and Smallblock gasoline powered vehicles and Diesel Specific versions as well, you will see the same model number transmissions but specific to it’s own powerplant. There is only one gasoline intended transmission that could bolt up but requires internal modifications, the V10 gasoline engine has the same bell pattern as the Cummins pattern.

It is very simple yet complicated as well… For instance,there were 727 3spd automatics available for bigblocks, smallblocks, slant six bell pattern and diesels. The transmission case bellhousing patterns are different and are not interchangable, yet they share many of the same internal components.

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This would be much clearer if some one could make a chart stating the combinations, including the ones that are not simple such as small block
727 to xxxx. Then as info comes in the chart could be updated and foot
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the only way you will get anyone’s engine to an SAE standard is with an adapter or flywheel housing…doesn’t matter who makes the engine they all have there own bolt pattern on the rear of the block, which requires some type of adaptation…..adapter or housing…you can however interchange some engine families 4/6 Cummins for example……Steve

can’t help but notice more attitudes on this site lately!!!!

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